FOLK N’ COAL with North East musician John Wrightson

When did you first get interested in music and who were your influences ? My influences go back to 1956. Lonnie Donegan, Elvis, Buddy Holly, Everly Brothers, Cliff & the Shadows, then later The Beatles to The Eagles. At 14 I used to plonk on my older brothers guitar when he was out. I was the youngest of four and I wouldn’t say my family were musical like, although my oldest brother had a disco.

I left school Easter ’61, shortly after that I bought my first guitar, a Rosetti Solid 7. It cost 18 guineas, a fortune those days. Bought on HP (hire purchase) of course.

Can you remember your first gig ? My first gig was in the summer of ‘61 at Ryhope Welfare Hall, County Durham. It was more of a dance than an audience, in a band called The Rustlers, four of us were 15 and one 14. The band went on for another 3 years.

What venues were you playing then ? Most venues were welfare and village halls, and the odd workingmen’s clubs. Workie clubs seemed to take over from about 1962 onwards. I think the Mersey Sound had something to do with it. They seemed to be the main venues throughout the ‘60s to the ‘90s and beyond.

What type of songs do you write ? Contemporary folk or poppy folk. I like good melodies and good lyrics. Quite a number of well-known artists have recorded my songs. Some of which play all over the world – Vin Garbutt (now deceased) Flossie Malavialle, and Manchester band Other Roads.

Do you record any of your music ? The last two year has been a bit of a nightmare health wise with open heart surgery, so I never had much chance to write a lot of new material. But I record my own songs in my home studio and record a new CD every year to 18 month.

Tell me about your new CD… The new CD is called All the Fields are Green Again. This song is about when back in the mid ‘50s, a beautiful piece of countryside between Murton and South Hetton in County Durham was obliterated to make way for the massive Hawthorn combined mine, it was there for over 50 years.

Wildlife and everything else was destroyed and a grey layer of dust and slurry covered everything and the smell of burning coke was terrible. I know I lived near it. I suppose the only good thing was there were lots of jobs.

When it closed in 1991 a huge tidying up procedure began. Although it was better, it was never the same. Hardly anyone has jobs now but all the fields are green again.

There is a song called Living on a Widows Pension. In 1960 the Northern counties and G.C.E. exams were introduced to East County Durham modern schools. It was 5 shilling (25p) a subject, you had to sit five subjects. Of course this was a fortune those days, and some couldn’t afford it, including me as my mother was a widow.

The headmaster kept telling us we’d never get a job without these exams. A week after I left school I filled a form in for an apprentice electrician at the coal board. Within a month I had an interview, a medical, then started work.

Remain is a song about the Brexit row that went on all last year and after. Gift of Life is about how precious life is. Being an ex-miner I tend to write lots of true to life songs about the pits. I was there for 21 years. Life in a Pit Village is one such song.

Brave Young Soldiers was especially written to commemorate 100 years since WW 1 ended. True Friendship is a song about a mate I’d never seen for 53 years and just by chance saw him on the internet. Now he is living in Reading and making his own guitars. His customers were all fantastic musicians. I contacted him thinking he may not remember me, but how wrong I was.

He even remembered chords to songs I showed him when we were teenagers. To show his gratitude, he offered to make me an acoustic guitar for the cost of materials, which I accepted.

Have you any gigs planned for 2020 ? The John Wrightson band don’t do as many gigs now but when we do it’s nearly always in the folk and live music scene, with a small quality PA. We are a contemporary folk band with one or two covers thrown in. Sadly like many others we had to cancel a number of gigs through the coronavirus. We’ll wait and see what happens.

 Interview by Gary Alikivi   April 2020.

SANTAS BIGGER BAG O’SWAG

If yer lookin’ for a Christmas present to buy why not take a butchers at these goodies that have appeared on the blog this year. 2019 has seen nearly 100 musicians interviewed and also featured authors and artists….

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On ‘Live & Acoustic’, Blues Siren Emma Wilson sings 4 favourites from her live set plus her original blues break up song ‘Wish Her Well’. With guitar accompaniment from Al Harrington, Emma’s raw and dynamic vocals shine through ‘I used to sing sweeter soul style but learned and developed a big voice. It was get big or get off’. The 5 track EP reached no.12 in the Independent Blues Broadcasters charts and received rave reviews from Blues Matters magazine and several American Blues stations.

For a hard copy on CD email Emma at  emmawilsonbluesband@gmail.com or contact the official website : www.emmawilson.net or via Facebook.

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Gary Miller from folk rockers The Whisky Priests….‘Leaving school in the mid-80’s, being in a band meant having a voice and a sense of hope and purpose during the dark era of Thatcherism. So, The Whisky Priests kind of evolved out of that and initially became a vehicle for expressing all my frustrations and passion at that time’. Get yer copy of Whisky Priests – ‘Bloody Well Everything’ 12-disc CD Box Set contact: https://whiskypriests.bandcamp.com/merch/chistmas-2019-offer-bloody-well-everything-limited-edition-box-set-only-300-numbered-copies-free-tour-t-shirt

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The Steve Thompson band recorded an album earlier this year…’The Long Fade really is my life’s work. After 50 years of being a backroom boy writing songs for other people I finally recorded them in my own name with a fantastic group of musicians and singers. Making the album was a fantastic adventure with lots of laughs with old friends’. You can download and stream links at http://www.thelongfade.xyx

Gary Alikivi December 2019.

PIPES OF PEACE with Northumberland musician Chris Ormston

I’ve recorded various compilations of Northumbrian music but my first big break if you like was when I got a phone call one night in 1990… Hello it’s Peter Gabriel here. There is a rumour going round that I told him to f*** off because I never believed it was him (laughs). But it was and he was after some piping on his next recording. So I agreed to go down to his studio in Bath. He wasn’t really sure what he wanted and just said bring every pipe you’ve got. We worked in the studio until he found the sound he liked, which was Highland Pipes not Northumbrian.

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What’s the difference ? Highland Scottish pipes are mouth blown and mainly played outdoors. Northumbria Pipes are small, indoor instrument, blown by bellows. Not wanting to get too detailed here but you’ve got a drone going on which is a constant note playing behind so you’ve got your basic harmony going on behind the melody. The best pipe music is actually quite simple in it’s structure so it’s always chording and dischording against the drones.

How did the recording session go with Gabriel ? The pipes were mixed down and recorded onto the first song on the album Come Talk to Me. Sinead O’Connor sang on the track although I never saw her. He had brought in various musicians and sounds to add to what he had already recorded. That’s the way he worked. I got a credit and a flat fee for the work and really enjoyed the experience. Gabriel I found was very thoughtful and reserved unlike his stage performances, as a lot of musicians are don’t you think ?

(Us was Gabriels sixth studio album, recorded in Real World Studios and released in 1992)

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What is your background ? I live in Ovingham, Northumberland although I was born in Jarrow. I’ve played the pipes since I was 15 but before that I played the recorder at school which I picked up quickly and got good at, all learnt by ear. Teachers were always trying to teach me to read music but I was making good progress by ear. They sent me to the grammer school to have lessons on the clarinet. But in those days music was all about learning exercises and rehearsing not very interesting pieces so I didn’t have much commitment to it.

What first got you interested in music ? My dad was a music teacher and his brother made a name for himself as a semi-professional operatic singer. So music was always around when I was growing up. My dad died when I was 13 and I didn’t pick up the Pipes until I was 15. Later I found that my dad and my uncle wanted to learn how to play the pipes.

He was originally a joiner and my uncle was a butcher but they were both saving up money to go to music college. They ended up in the Royal Manchester College of Music and trained as music teachers. My dad played and taught piano, so there was classical music in the house and it was interesting because he never pushed me into playing anything. Sure he gave me a few lessons but never said Sit down and you must practice this. He made it sound more interesting if I would just try it out you know.

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Where you listening to any other music ? There was the operatic stuff from my family but I didn’t take to it and I started listening to Glam Rock (laughs). Slade were my thing then Prog Rock with Emerson Lake and Palmer, Yes and a band called Gryphon. Occasionaly still listen to that. You look back with affection for it, as it was part of your formative years. It’s hard to look back objectively because some of it might have been rubbish but it meant something to you then.

We talk about the moment at a concert when the lights go down, then the ‘roar’ of the crowd and the band launch into their first song. Yeah my mother used to say at Newcastle City Hall there was an excellent organ at the back of the stage that was totally spoilt when all these beat groups stated to play there (laughs).

Funnily the first rock concert I went to was around 1979 when I was studying Geography at Liverpool University and I saw Lindisfarne (laughs). It worked out really well in Liverpool because there was a good traditional music scene with lot’s of informal sessions most night’s of the week plus the folk club’s. I sort of learned the trade there.

It was a big challenge because I’d been playing the Pipes for around three years and in order to play I had to join in with the Irish music sessions. That was a steep learning curve to adapt to suit the Northumbrian Pipes.

I remember the first Garden Festival was held in Liverpool and I was playing with a Highland Pipe band at the time. We got a gig there, played our set and walked off. The first person I see is the actor John Pertwee dressed as Worzel Gummidge he said Ooh arr Pipes, I love the pipes especially Northumbrian. I ended up having a long conversation about Northumbrian Pipes with Jon Pertwee staying in his role as Worzel Gummidge (laughs).

What was the last gig you played ? The last gig I played was at the Morpeth Gathering with Katrina Porteous. (Featured interview Some Kind of Magic, April 27th 2019). There is a folk crowd who you reguarly see at the gigs, within that there are people who like different traditions of music and dance such as Scots or Irish folk as well as Northumbrian. The Morpeth Gathering is one place where all that comes together. People travel from all over the North East and come down from Scotland for these events. The performance with Katrina went really well. We’ve worked together on-and-off for 20 years. Originally we were both commissioned to do something for Northumbrian Language Society and we worked on that separately first then found out when we came together it all worked in a live setting. We’ve worked a lot like that.

What have you got planned this year ? I do a bit of teaching on the Pipes so there will be more of that. I’m off to Germany in July and Ireland in October with Newcastle Poet Keith Armstrong, that’s part of a Cultural Exchange trip. (Interview with Keith on More Than Words, April 15th 2019). In August I’m playing on a festival down in Sidmouth, Devon. Not a part of the country that I play very often so really nice to get down there.

I’m going to Devon by train rather than plane. One time I flew over to Amsterdam and security there knew what the Pipes were and said Ahh Doedelzak – that’s the Dutch word for Bagpipe. (laughs). Surprisingly, it’s usually the staff at Newcastle airport that don’t know what the Northumbrian pipes are!

Interview by Gary Alikivi April 2019.

FOLK LAW – interview with Northern songwriter & folk musician Celia Bryce

 

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What are your current projects ? I’m singing and writing songs, mainly for the band but also for children in schools and the occasional folk hymn. The Celia Bryce Band does mainly original numbers and plays at Roots Clubs, folk clubs and festivals. The line up is me on vocals, rhythm guitar and accordion. Colin Bradshaw on harmony vocals, bass and occasional acoustic guitar. Lee Cramman on keyboards. Eddie Harris drums/cajon and harmony vocals. James Palmer lead guitar and harmony vocals. Mike Swindale appears with us at some acoustic gigs playing violin. We can be a 3, 4 or 5 piece band according to venue’s requirements. The songs come from both albums and we’re now working on material for a third, some of which is co-written with band members. There’s a mixture of folk, blues, country and almost anything that takes our fancy really. My songs tend to tell melancholic stories but they’re balanced out with more upbeat numbers. which we tend to work on as a band. We nearly always inject a traditional song plus my favourite songs by Kevin Montgomery and Gretchen Peters. Last year I did a couple of interesting sessions called ‘Women On Song’ with Chloe Chadwick (Americana/country/folk singer-song writer from UK). We both explored our songs, how they came about, the themes behind them and then performed them with a backing band with Colin Bradshaw, Eddie Harris and Chloe’s guitarist Mark Bushell. It was really nice to have the time to talk about the process of song-writing at a gig. At around the same time along with Colin Bradshaw I supported Tia McGraff an Americana/Country singer from Canada, when she performed at the Old Low Light in North Shields. That was such a special evening. Tia’s a wonderful singer and songwriter’.

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Who were your influences in music ? ‘They go back to when I was a kid singing in school performances of church music – mainly in Latin – and Gilbert and Sullivan. But I was heavily influenced by the music played at home by my father on piano and various stringed instruments and even Scottish Half Long pipes at one time. My mother was very keen on singing and listening to opera and particularly Puccini. It was a musical household. As a teenager playing in a folk band I loved The Bothy Band, Planxty, Moving Hearts and Clannad. I always loved country music and jazz standards too. So very mixed influences and new ones come along every now and then. If there’s something I’ve heard and liked then often I’ll try to emulate the style in a song’.

How did you get interested in playing music. Was there a defining moment when you said “I want to do that” ? ‘I don’t think there was a ‘defining moment’ except maybe when my cousin next door started having piano lessons and I wanted to do the same. Actually I hated those lessons but carried on for at least a few years, learning more than I probably deserved, because I rarely practised and told my teacher that I wasn’t taking any of the exams. My parents paid for those lessons and it was only years later when I realised that it was money they could little afford. The only thing I really enjoyed was trying to play like my father who was brilliant. Dad played an awful lot at home. We had a grand piano and when the house was empty I would lift the lid and play stuff I’d heard him play in my own way. Very loudly and incompetently, but I knew the tunes well enough in my head. I loved the freedom of producing something which bore nothing more than a faint resemblance to the real thing but was identifiable, at least to my ears! I was in sixth form when I met Benny Hudson who with his brother Gerard wanted to start a folk group. It coincided with me being given a 12 string guitar from a friend of one of my brothers. It only had six strings – I knew nothing about buying strings – and I could only play 3 chords. It had no case so I carried it around in a black plastic bag to rehearsals. I then bought an accordion from a Scottish family member, which also didn’t have a case. I managed to find one, donated to me by a member of a folk band I’d gone to see. He was sitting on an empty accordion case. Why I don’t know. He didn’t play accordion. Can’t remember if I bought it or just smiled winningly. It fitted my 120 bass Baile accordion perfectly’.

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When did you start playing gigs and what venues did you play ? ‘Gigs as a teenager were in church halls but mainly they seemed to be just getting together to play. We did a lot of Saturday afternoon ‘sessions’ at Jarrow Hall before it became the centre it is now. We’d play Irish tunes with the likes of George Welch, Jez Lowe, Ged Foley, Paul Dickman. Those sessions developed my  love of Irish and to a lesser extent Scottish tunes. By then I was only playing the accordion with Benny and Gerard playing bouzouki, mandolin,  bodhran and bones. It was through Paul Dickman and George Welch that Benny and I began to play with the Trent House Ceilidh Band led by Norman Bell. This was a 16 piece band which practised in the Trent House pub in Newcastle. We played for dances, mainly in the Tyneside area but did travel to the borders, to Arran and Yorkshire. We didn’t support anyone. I did play regularly at the Irish Club in Newcastle and played at a Fleadh Cheoil in Leicester with the Irish Club Band which won first prize in one of the competitions. I had never seen so many startlingly good musicians all gathered together. It was great. I began to sing songs in folk clubs when I was about 18 with Benny and Gerard but found the whole thing horribly nerve wracking. I’d forget words with incredible ease! To celebrate the 50th anniversary of the NHS in 1998 The Katy Freeway, a country rock band we had going before we decided to do original material, performed at the Drury Lane Theatre in London along with lots of other acts who had connections with the Health Service. At the time three of us were working in the health service. The main act was David Essex. The audience seemed to be all women who patiently put up with the many preceding acts, gearing up to go absolutely wild when he took to the stage! It’s a long time ago. The NHS is coming up to its 70th birthday!

What were your experiences of recording ?  ‘My first ever recording in a professional studio was at Ruby Fruit Studio in Newcastle and I recorded a song called ‘Don’t Need You Woman’ commissioned for a TV drama written by local playwright Alex Ferguson – of ‘Pineapple King of Jarrow’ fame. The drama didn’t actually hit the screens. In the first non-folk band I played in The Bill Stickers Band,  where I was now singing and playing saxophone – we recorded some songs in a Wallsend studio called Red Nose. The next band I sang in was The Katy Freeway and we recorded at home a CD simply for the joy of it. The next recordings, for my CDs ‘No Deals, No Promises’ and ‘Links’, were at Cluny Studios in Newcastle with Tony Davis. I found the first experience with Ruby Fruit quite unnerving and was rather star-struck to be honest. Basically I did what they told me to, didn’t question anything much and knew that they were the experts. I was truly amazed by the technology applied to my words and music. The production was fantastic. To be part of that was just great and it opened my eyes to what was out there in the world of recording. I was a bit miffed that the sound engineer wouldn’t put many effects on my voice. I wanted reverb and all my errors smoothed over. He said it didn’t need it. I suppose I should have been pleased at the compliment but still felt short changed!

My experience at The Cluny with the first CD, ‘No Deals, No Promises’ was much more involved and I was less starry eyed and spoke up a bit more. Jim Hornsby, Rob Tickell, Doug Morgan and Stuart Hardy played on that CD. With the second, ‘Links’ we mainly played with the band members of that time including the guitarist and song-writer Tony Schofield’. 

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Did you record any TV appearences or film any music videos ? ’I’d like to say no way, not at all, but we did do a video for one of our numbers ‘The Workers’ Song’ and it’s hilarious but for all the wrong reasons. The lads in the band look like they’ve just been released, after a very long time from somewhere very secure. Not our finest moment’.

Have you any funny stories from playing gigs ? Over so many years and so many bands there are lots of funny stories and one always sticks in my mind. It was while I was in the Bill Stickers Band. There I am, singing a song which requires me to play saxophone so I’m holding it ready to play between verses. This drunk guy comes up and wants to take the thing from me and play. He’s very slurred and doesn’t take no for an answer. While I’m struggling to sing and keep hold of the saxophone and fend him off I’m getting absolutely no help from the rest of the band who, like true professionals just carry on playing. Only things is ‘true pros’ have some crew somewhere don’t they. Bouncers… anything to take the guy out, in the nicest possible way. But no. I can tell you they got an earful from me at the interval !  Another time with the same band we were playing at a well known pub in Wallsend which had lunchtime entertainments  –strippers to be exact- and we played on the same stage at night. There always seemed to be talcum powder on the floor – though we were never sure what part that played in the proceedings – and interesting ‘art’ work on the walls’. 

Interview by Gary Alikivi May 2018.

Upcoming gigs for the Celia Bryce band:

Fri 13th July Blackfriars, The Ouseburn, Newcastle

Thurs 19th July Guy’s Bistro, York

Sun 29th July Music at the Ship, Low Newton by the sea Music Festival

Sat 8th September The Barrels, Berwick on Tweed

Recommended:

Trevor Sewell, Still Got the Blues, 21st June 2017.

Tony Wilson, For Folks Sake, 10th May 2018.

Ben Hudson, Bees & Bouzoukis, 24th May 2018.

BEES & BOUZOUKIS – interview with Northern Folk musician and radio broadcaster Ben Hudson

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What got you interested in music ? ‘I’ve always been interested in music. My mam used to be singing all of the time so I know the chorus’ to thousands of songs. I’ve got a vague memory of when I was very small and my parents had the radio on. Glen Miller’s String of Pearls came on. I was just mezmerised by it. Music always moved me. Not necessarily folk music because that came later’. 

When did you first pick up an instrument ? ‘When I was 10 year old my brother Gerard and I got guitars for Christmas. We, and I use the term loosly, rehearsed for a few hours. My Nanna and Granda were over for Christmas dinner and Ged and I came flying downstairs with this song we had just written. We played it and Granda said ’That’s just the kind of noise to set my head off’ ha ha’. 

What type of background did you have ?  ‘Both sides of the family had Irish connections and my uncle from Ireland was a Malodian player. My Nanna was from County Mayo and any Irish music would get her up dancing. Her sister Bridget played harmonica so there was a bit of music in the family’. 

What venues did you play ? ‘With my brother Ged and a few friends we played a school concert in St Josephs in Hebburn. I was a rock fan of Zeppelin and Genesis but got into folk when I was around 17. That led onto playing the sessions in folk clubs like The Viking pub in Jarrow with Ed Pickford and Mick Elliott. Also further afield in Sunderland and Newcastle. I was a singer playing a bit guitar. It was English folk at first but then the Irish and Scottish really captured my imagination. Then we used to go all over the country for sessions. Scotland and into the Shetlands, that was the early 70’s’. 

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What other bands were around at that time ?Hedgehog Pie and The Doonans would play The Cricketers in Bill Quay. We’d see Northern Front who were great and very funny with it. George Welsh who is still kicking about, a realy good friend of mine. We used to go and see a few bands from Scotland who were and still are an influence on me, like The Bothy Band who changed my life ! The came over from Ireland to Blackfriars in Newcastle in 1975 they were absolutely incredibe, playing rock music on Irish instruments. I was blown away. It was the first time I’d heard a Bouzouki guitar played and had to get one. My first was an 8 string ballback. Originally they were a ballback guitar from Greece and Turkey. Because the ballback didn’t sit comfortably in yer stomach you had to hold it in a certain way. But now you can get a flat backed from Ireland. Musicians like Christy Moore brought it back from Greece and Johnny Moynihan used it for the Irish folk band Planxty’. 

What are you doing now in music ? ‘I play in two bands. The Deadly Erneast Ceilidh band who I’ve been with for 30 years. We used to play regular but not as much now. Also play in the folk band Lowp with Iain Gelston on bagpipes, Stephen Pratt on flute and whistles, Peter Brown on fiddle and David Harrison on mandola and mandolin. I sing, play guitar and bouzouki. I also produce a Folk show on Hive Radio on a Saturday morning. I’ve done that for 4 years, when it was first based in Bede’s World in Jarrow. I talk about and play all types of folk music, our audience are mostly UK, USA and worldwide as it’s internet based. The definition of folk music has massivly broadened so I do like to listen to what other people are doing. I also work alongside Diane Gray at Community Arts Project North East. We are always looking for new programmes and would like anyone with an idea for a programme to get in touch with Hive radio’.

 

What does music mean to you ? ‘When things are getting stressfull or hectic it keeps me grounded. It helps focus on the good things in life and you can really loose yourself in it. I try to play something everyday and I’m a terrible collector of instruments, guitars, bouzoukis haha …drives my wife mad ! Really I just love music’.

Interview by Gary Alikivi May 2018.

For further information contact http://www.capne.org

Recommended:

Trevor Sewell, Still Got the Blues, 21st June 2017.

Tony Wilson, For Folks Sake, 10th May 2018.

 

FOR FOLKS SAKE – interview with North East songwriter & storyteller Tony Wilson

‘Folk music for me is about the human condition and being able to express it without any classical training. The songs can be stories like Shakespeare, but condensed into four verses. They are very emotionally driven’.

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What got you interested in music and was there a moment when you said ‘I want to do that’ ? ‘I think I was always a singer. I sang in the church choir and at school. There was a ‘Time and Tune’ lesson where I’d be the kid who sang really loudly…and in tune. I was brought up on Gene Autry and Johnny Mathis records but with regards to folk music there was a lot on television in the late 50’s, 60’s, and was very popular. There was a feeling in the air that there was something other than Americanisation of folk music. There was a very influential radio programme called Folk on Two with Jim Lloyd which featured live artists. There was Tim Hart and Maddy Prior who later went on to be part of Steeleye Span. They were young, vibrant and sang traditional songs so it was a big leap from the Beverly Hillbillies on tv to finding out about my own culture. Also Shirley Collins who played a folk opera Anthems in Eden, which was a celebration of everything within folk music. Yes, all that was very influential’.

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Was there anyone in your family background who had a musical instrument ? ‘I lived in Tyne Dock, South Shields until I was 7 year old. I was very outgoing, singing a solo in churches that sort of thing but my parents were very quiet, conservative and an attitude of don’t draw any attention you know? Completely opposite to me, was I really their child ha ha? But there was no music in the family apart from a Sunday night when we’d get around the radiogramme and play our 78 records. There were folk songs at school we’d sing Scarboro Fair so there was a burgeoning folk scene coming on. You’d hear Bob Dylan, Julie Felix and Donovan on the radio, they were the acceptable face of folk. I used to try and play loads of instruments. I was given a tin whistle, a harmonica and a jaw harp but I couldn’t get on with them. The Spinners were on the television and The Dubliners were in the charts’.

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‘I’d heard this music and it triggered something inside, it was almost primeval. To be honest it was unlike anything I’d ever heard before and I was very curious about it. Also, at 15, it was a chance to sing rude words. But the thing that really got me going was a folk club at school. I had a 5 string banjo like The Dubliners who we went to see at Newcastle City Hall, and that was ‘wow this is amazing’. So at school I was into the music that was more unpolished, out of tune almost. There was a great wave of making music yourself which was appealing. At the school folk club musicians used to come and play for us, Jim Irvine, Jim Sharp, Jimmy Boyles and world renowned performers like Ed Pickford and Bob Davenport would come. Some of them ran a well established folk club at the Marsden Inn, South Shields. There was also another at The County where we used to go sometimes when there was a performer on. They would get around £10 or something. The mc Bob ‘the gob’ Gilroy would let us in as the underage drinkers helped make up the fee for the performers. We would also go out to other folk music clubs so that would broaden our spectrum of what we’d see and hear. Places like The Glebe in Sunderland’.

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What was your experience of recording ? ‘I only had a reel to reel Ferrorgraph which was guaranteed mono. You had one microphone and placed it almost like the His Master’s Voice dog kind of thing. You didn’t make that many albums because it was a very costly process. We recorded in about 74 or 75 made an album and toured Germany. It was with a band called IONA on Celtic Music here on Tyneside and I was very nervous. We had 8 tracks I think, and did everything live in the studio which was a small room about 12ft x 12ft as I remember. It sold well in Germany, but I didn’t make any money from it. I’d played music properly from 1968, joined bands and busked then went to Leeds University and refined the way I played. I qualified from University as an agricultural zoologist. I started playing a lot of Irish music and met up with a load of old Irish guys in Leeds and learnt from them. If you weren’t good enough they would make a point of telling you. So you would practice, practice and practice. These guys were maestros of their time, in their 70’s and 80’s with this wealth of experience and dry wit. The German folk scene looked toward Ireland as this Utopia of being folk you know, because the music was surpressed by Hitler. So when they took folk on board it almost became more Irish. Why was it supressed ? I suppose, at that time, it wasn’t German music for German people. They eventually found their own folk music and the Irish traditional music sort of went lower in want’.

Did you have a manager or agency ? ‘No it was very low key. In Belgium there was a manager Leon Lamall who ran a music venue called The Mallemolem (Crazy Windmill). He would organise tours in France, Belgium and Holland. I was with IONA 1975-79 and there was a lot of touring, 2-3 month at a time. We had a van to get around, have somewhere to stop and people are always willing to feed you but all the money went into the p.a. and promotion. People would always offer to buy you a drink. You would get money at the end of the tour but people abroad would ask “what is your real job ?” ha ha’ 

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Where did you go next ? ‘I had done some solo stuff when I met up with a Tyneside bagpipe and flute player from Jarrow called Mick Doonan. We did a lot of touring in 1980/81, every place we could around the UK. We ended up forming a band with The Mathews Brothers and did really well, incredibly popular but then they had a family argument and split up. After that some money went missing and that soured the whole thing. It left a bad taste. Then I went solo and because I had family by then I stopped touring and stayed closer to home in Leeds and played the workingmen’s clubs. That was the early 80’s before backing tracks came in. My agent used to say ‘Will you play Batley Democratic Irish League Club’…’But last time they paid me off’ I replied…’Doesn’t matter… they’d take anybody’..ha ha. He’d say ‘How much do you want Tony’….’£89.50’ I said…’Bloody hell why do you want that’…’Because that’s how much the shower costs to install at home’…Every song was another part of the shower. Just getting on with it you know. I was doing the folk clubs myself but when backing tracks came into the working men’s clubs I was redundant overnight. A guitar and voice was seen as very old hat. But to keep my hand in I worked on a BBC Leeds folk radio show plus I played at Whitby Festival for 17 years on the trot and compered at folk festivals during school holidays as I was teaching by then’. 

What was your experience of working on radio ? ‘I was there around 3 years and the show was 45 minutes every week interviewing so many of my heroes. Loved it! At that time I was also writing a lot of my own songs. But as I say I started teaching a lot, still doing bits and pieces with the folk but really it wasn’t until 1999 when I got back playing and singing in folk clubs again. I was offered to join a band again, go on tour, play at the Millenium Dome in London. It sounded so good. I checked the contracts and away we went. The first year was incredible, tour dates, hotels, theatres, festivals, everything fine… even got a bit of money. But unfortunately another family bust up and I found I was only getting a small percentage of the money. But hey that’s just the way it goes sometimes. I’d been burned in the past. Now I’d been left high and dry just before an American tour was planned. But through a contact I got some storytelling work in schools and I took that around the country’.

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What are you doing now ? ‘Well at the start of 2017 I started doing floor spots at Buskers nights and Open Mic’s around the North East. Last year I did around 150-180 spots. Nobody owes me a living… doesn’t matter whether I’ve played that club 25 years ago I’ll still play the floor spot. It’s about how to get the best out of the song. Where’s the light, where’s the shade, where’s the point where I can emphasise? I recorded every song that I wrote onto cassettes so I can always refer back to them, as you do with video now. When I play I also drag out all of these songs I wrote 30 years ago and they pass the old grey whistle test! People humm and whistle to some of my songs. In 2009 in Whitby I met up – again – with a folk musician from Scotswood, Tom McConville. We had lived in a house together in the mid 70’s and played as a duo. We got on really well and a year ago we got up and played as a duo. It’s a shame that there’s not as many folk clubs as there used to be. Sunderland had a few, Newcastle about four, it’s a contracted scene now’.

What does music mean to you ? ‘I think any musician might say, “I feel as if I’ve lived three lives. The places I’ve been, the things that I’ve done and the things I’ve experienced.” It was like opening a door to the world – I’ve travelled, met good and bad people. Coming back to the folk scene I’m flattered that people remember me. There’s still some fantastic people who put you up, give you meals, drive you places…just the most incredible thing ever….really….that’s music’.

Interview by Gary Alikiv May 2018.

WHAT’S IN A NAME ? Send your answers to 80’s cult skiffle punk’s Terry & Gerry

After nearly 30 years Terry & Gerry, the Birmingham based cult skiffle punk band reformed in honour of their biggest fan, the late John Peel. The BBC Radio DJ  received a demo tape from Terry & Gerry, the name of the best friends of Peel’s wife.  He thought the coincidence was too great to ignore so he played the tape and immediately bacame a big fan. He asked the band to travel down to the BBC and record a few songs for his show. It was a case of right time, right place, right name.  
Gerry: ‘Sadly, we never met him, although he did give us a fond mention in his autobiography. We met his friend and producer John Walters who was a skiffle fan and totally top bloke. In 2014 I was invited to play a John Peel commemoration concert and got in touch with Terry, Su and Mick. We were all amazed that we were all still alive!! The old wounds had scabbed over and we decided to give it a go’

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Where did it all begin for Terry & Gerry ?
Terry: ‘Just buy a guitar, learn three chords, write a song about something you are passionate about and off you go! We were both in bands in Birmingham so knew of each other. Gerry bought a double bass from a bloke he met on a train and I went round to check it out. We found we wrote well together. We tried to come up with a cool name but our names rhymed so it was just a happy coincidence.’
Gerry: ‘Our sound needed some percussion and our mate Su Richardson, had a ridged dinner plate which provided the backbeat…it was a natural progression for her to get a washboard!! The inclusion of a second guitar, originally Andy Downer and then Mick Howson created a really exciting, fun sound’.
Su Richardson: ‘Our line-up and sound was created by accident. We all loved Buddy Holly, The Everly Brothers and punk and we wanted to write songs that reflected that, but with lyrics about 1980’s Britain with the Political and social problems that people faced’.
Terry: ‘The indie scene in the 1980’s was like a family, everyone helped each other. We were lucky enough to go on tour with The Nightingales, The Pogues and Billy Bragg and had a blast with everyone. We were so different and eclectic that we fitted in with any band. There was a very real feeling of being part of a movement that was fun, exciting and saying something about issues of the day. You have to write what comes out and what angers or inspires you, otherwise it’s no fun to play. I’d like to add that we always had an independent spirit, Terry and Gerry never had a manager we were always, and continue to be self managed’.

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Did the band make any appearance’s on TV ?
Sue: ‘Televison was good to us and we appeared on The Tube, Whistle Test, loads of Kids TV. On one show Noddy Holder from Slade sang backing vocals’.
Terry: ‘My recollection is that we got the gig at The Tube through the recommendation of Mike Davies who was a DJ at Beacon Radio. He suggested us to Chris Phipps and that we auditioned for the show in Su’s front room. I remember Chris Phipps commenting that he wished he had filmed the audition – clearly bands did not usually audition in a front room.
Our original appearance was cancelled due to the broadcast of the funeral of Indira Ghandi at the beginning of November 1984 and put back to February 1985. Also on the show were Killing Joke’.

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‘I remember that we hired a Birmingham P.A. company to provide holdback as the production company at Tyne Tees were charging us to use theirs. I understand that the Musician’s Union subsequently negotiated an additional payment for us as a result of this practice. I think that although the broadcast sound was reasonable no sound was sent into the studio with the live audience. My guess is that the record company for Killing Joke paid the in house PA companies fees.
I’m not sure how we got the Whistle Test Gig. Personally I remember that it was the day I had an allergic reaction to sea food and that we went on a search for a pharmacy because I was feeling dodgy as a result. The things you remember eh !
We went down to London to play live at the Mean Fiddler, where it was being filmed. It was great to be broadcast from there as Vince Power gave us our first ever gig in London. It’s also the one television appearance that goes some way towards capturing what our live shows were really like at that time. When I watch it now I remember many of the faces of the people in the audience that used to come and see us play whenever we appeared in London. Yes, a great time!’

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In the mid-eighties the four piece band released six singles and one album. The band toured extensively in the UK, Europe and America gathering fans from Joe Strummer to Shane MacGowan and one of the singles was reviewed by Morrissey for Radio One ‘I love it!! Don’t know why!!’ At this point things were really looking up for the band but could they keep the pace up ?
Gerry:Morrissey was very complimentary about our EP ‘Clothes Shop Closed’ and Shane McGowan and the guys made us feel so welcome on their tours. Joe Strummer even came to a gig in New York!! Looking back we still can’t believe it’.
Terry: ‘At the end of the 80’s we were all pretty burned out and wanted to do something different but we all stayed in music. Terry and Gerry fell out and rarely spoke. Doing something together again had never been on the cards’.

What got the band talking again ?
Gerry: ‘In 2014 I was invited to play a John Peel commemoration concert, got in touch with Terry, Su and Mick and we decided to give it a go’
Mick Howson: ‘Our first rehearsal in 27 years was absolutely amazing. It all came flooding back and the songs were as relevant today as they had been in the 1980’s. Now we don’t wanna stop!’

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In 2015 you were invited by Status Quo to be special guests on their U.K. tour. What was that like ?
Terry: ‘The Mighty Quo and their fans have been brilliant. They sang along, waved their hands in the air and gave us a wonderful reception. We even got a standing ovation at The Royal Albert Hall!! They are a brilliant band to tour with and we are so grateful for the opportunity’.
Gerry: ‘We have concerts coming up all year as well as festivals, we plan to keep going for as long as we are enjoying it, there is a host of skiff-punk bands out there which shows indie music still lives on.’

Check the official website for the latest tour dates and information at http://www.terryandgerry.com.

Interview by Gary Alikivi April 2017.